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		<title>By: majanka</title>
		<link>http://eternalised.net/2010/08/28/my-horrible-experience-with-dreamhost/comment-page-1/#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator>majanka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the suggestion. I definately will, and I hope it helps!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the suggestion. I definately will, and I hope it helps!</p>
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		<title>By: majanka</title>
		<link>http://eternalised.net/2010/08/28/my-horrible-experience-with-dreamhost/comment-page-1/#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>majanka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dank je voor het advies (en is helemaal niet erg dat het in het Nederlands is, hoor, dan begrijp ik het zelf ook beter :P). Ik begin nu pas aan mijn derde bachelor rechten, wat erop neerkomt dat ik wel al de beginselen ken van contractenrecht en consumentenrecht, maar de meeste dingen nog niet echt in detail heb bestudeerd. In België heb je drie bachelor jaren die zowat &#039;basis&#039; zijn, waar je leert of alle taken van het recht, maar niet echt ergens diep op ingaat. Daarna zijn er nog twee master jaren waarin je bepaalde vakken kiest die je nog wat meer zou willen uitdiepen, en waar je dan ook een masterproef overschrijft. Vertel me gerust eens hoe de rechten opleiding in elkaar zit op de Nederlandse universiteit, daar ben ik wel benieuwd naar.

Ik zou deze casus maar al te graag voorleggen aan één van mijn professors, maar nu is het natuurlijk in het midden van de herexamens, en dan zijn ze allemaal druk bezig. Ikzelf heb ook herexamens, vandaar dit late antwoord :P Vandaag kreeg ik nu plots een telefoontje van dat incassobureau, en weeral hetzelfde, betalen of zullen we een dagvaarding instellen? Vanavond ga ik eens googlen voor zo&#039;n wetswinkel, dat lijkt me mijn enige optie. Eerlijk gezegd wou ik me eerst concentreren op mijn herexamen, zaterdagmorgen, maar na het dreigen met een dagvaarding denk ik dat ik best zo spoedig mogelijk spreek met zo&#039;n Wetswinkel. Ik weet niet genoeg van consumentenrecht om te weten op welke punten ik gelijk heb en op welke punten niet, en hoe ik dit allemaal moet aanpakken. Is allemaal heel frustrerend. Dank je nogmaals voor het advies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dank je voor het advies (en is helemaal niet erg dat het in het Nederlands is, hoor, dan begrijp ik het zelf ook beter <img src='http://eternalised.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> ). Ik begin nu pas aan mijn derde bachelor rechten, wat erop neerkomt dat ik wel al de beginselen ken van contractenrecht en consumentenrecht, maar de meeste dingen nog niet echt in detail heb bestudeerd. In België heb je drie bachelor jaren die zowat &#8216;basis&#8217; zijn, waar je leert of alle taken van het recht, maar niet echt ergens diep op ingaat. Daarna zijn er nog twee master jaren waarin je bepaalde vakken kiest die je nog wat meer zou willen uitdiepen, en waar je dan ook een masterproef overschrijft. Vertel me gerust eens hoe de rechten opleiding in elkaar zit op de Nederlandse universiteit, daar ben ik wel benieuwd naar.</p>
<p>Ik zou deze casus maar al te graag voorleggen aan één van mijn professors, maar nu is het natuurlijk in het midden van de herexamens, en dan zijn ze allemaal druk bezig. Ikzelf heb ook herexamens, vandaar dit late antwoord <img src='http://eternalised.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  Vandaag kreeg ik nu plots een telefoontje van dat incassobureau, en weeral hetzelfde, betalen of zullen we een dagvaarding instellen? Vanavond ga ik eens googlen voor zo&#8217;n wetswinkel, dat lijkt me mijn enige optie. Eerlijk gezegd wou ik me eerst concentreren op mijn herexamen, zaterdagmorgen, maar na het dreigen met een dagvaarding denk ik dat ik best zo spoedig mogelijk spreek met zo&#8217;n Wetswinkel. Ik weet niet genoeg van consumentenrecht om te weten op welke punten ik gelijk heb en op welke punten niet, en hoe ik dit allemaal moet aanpakken. Is allemaal heel frustrerend. Dank je nogmaals voor het advies!</p>
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		<title>By: Rilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 12:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to pay for the 150 euros to get everything behind you, it is all up to you. I don&#039;t know the law in your country so I&#039;ll tell you about what I know of the law here in NZ. I work at a law firm with debt collection services, we hire our own debt collector, and with debt like yours being a disputed debt, they cannot just straight up demand payment without dealing with the dispute. And that is what you say to the debt collector when they try to contact you.

You mentioned that you study law. It would probably be a good starting point to speak to a lecturer or there should be community law centres where you can seek free legal advice from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to pay for the 150 euros to get everything behind you, it is all up to you. I don&#8217;t know the law in your country so I&#8217;ll tell you about what I know of the law here in NZ. I work at a law firm with debt collection services, we hire our own debt collector, and with debt like yours being a disputed debt, they cannot just straight up demand payment without dealing with the dispute. And that is what you say to the debt collector when they try to contact you.</p>
<p>You mentioned that you study law. It would probably be a good starting point to speak to a lecturer or there should be community law centres where you can seek free legal advice from.</p>
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		<title>By: Kya</title>
		<link>http://eternalised.net/2010/08/28/my-horrible-experience-with-dreamhost/comment-page-1/#comment-171</link>
		<dc:creator>Kya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I am really sorry to hear about this it is really not fair at all and you shouldn&#039;t have to pay when you gave them notice. It sounds very sneaky in many ways that there is no confirmation so you can&#039;t have proof that you did contact them (sneaky from them, not you).

I hope you can find some help for this because it places you in a horrible situation. Maybe you could also ask other students or a professor at school who might be able to give some advice from a legal perspective. 

I guess, in some ways this is also a learning experience into law as well, a practical one, just not something that anybody wants to happen to them. 

I really do hope things will work out for you, and in the end you are the victor because you have not done anything wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I am really sorry to hear about this it is really not fair at all and you shouldn&#8217;t have to pay when you gave them notice. It sounds very sneaky in many ways that there is no confirmation so you can&#8217;t have proof that you did contact them (sneaky from them, not you).</p>
<p>I hope you can find some help for this because it places you in a horrible situation. Maybe you could also ask other students or a professor at school who might be able to give some advice from a legal perspective. </p>
<p>I guess, in some ways this is also a learning experience into law as well, a practical one, just not something that anybody wants to happen to them. </p>
<p>I really do hope things will work out for you, and in the end you are the victor because you have not done anything wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 04:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry you have to go through this. I too have found out that Dutch and Belgium hosting companies are quite rubbish. When I still lived in the Netherlands, I was first hosted by pcextreme.nl. Hosting was expensive, but back then I was a beginner and happy with my first real website and domain. After a few years a domain was registered on my name, I didn&#039;t want it so I send in a cancellation form. They denied it and I didn&#039;t had any proof about the whole thing. After a while, I too got threating letters from debt collectors - which I threw away - but finally it came down that they were going to come to my house and basically harassed me about this situation. I refused to budge but my mom didn&#039;t wish to deal with strangers at her door so she ended up paying 190 Euro&#039;s to them for a 8 Euro domain...

The same thing happened to my Belgian friend who was also hosted by them. She also refused to pay the bill and she&#039;s been getting threating letters for years from debt collectors, yet they don&#039;t take legal action because their office is based in the Netherlands (just like dreamhost nl/be) and she is located in Belgium. Internationally, it would probably be too big of a money hassle for them to proceed any legal actions. (so in your case, you probably shouldn&#039;t have to worry too much, as well)

Then I choose to be hosted by a Belgian company uwhost.be, which turned out to be run by one single man. When the second year came up, I renewed my hosting for 110 euros and had proof they received the money (emails and bank receipts). Then suddenly my domain and account vanished and I was no longer a costumer. I tried to get my money back, even going so far by sending a signed-for letter to the owner&#039;s home address with copies of my bank receipts and emails. I never heard back from him or got my money back...

I also had problems with the famous American company Surpass Hosting but now I finally have a good host (Holdfire) and I&#039;m glad you too have found a good host.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry you have to go through this. I too have found out that Dutch and Belgium hosting companies are quite rubbish. When I still lived in the Netherlands, I was first hosted by pcextreme.nl. Hosting was expensive, but back then I was a beginner and happy with my first real website and domain. After a few years a domain was registered on my name, I didn&#8217;t want it so I send in a cancellation form. They denied it and I didn&#8217;t had any proof about the whole thing. After a while, I too got threating letters from debt collectors &#8211; which I threw away &#8211; but finally it came down that they were going to come to my house and basically harassed me about this situation. I refused to budge but my mom didn&#8217;t wish to deal with strangers at her door so she ended up paying 190 Euro&#8217;s to them for a 8 Euro domain&#8230;</p>
<p>The same thing happened to my Belgian friend who was also hosted by them. She also refused to pay the bill and she&#8217;s been getting threating letters for years from debt collectors, yet they don&#8217;t take legal action because their office is based in the Netherlands (just like dreamhost nl/be) and she is located in Belgium. Internationally, it would probably be too big of a money hassle for them to proceed any legal actions. (so in your case, you probably shouldn&#8217;t have to worry too much, as well)</p>
<p>Then I choose to be hosted by a Belgian company uwhost.be, which turned out to be run by one single man. When the second year came up, I renewed my hosting for 110 euros and had proof they received the money (emails and bank receipts). Then suddenly my domain and account vanished and I was no longer a costumer. I tried to get my money back, even going so far by sending a signed-for letter to the owner&#8217;s home address with copies of my bank receipts and emails. I never heard back from him or got my money back&#8230;</p>
<p>I also had problems with the famous American company Surpass Hosting but now I finally have a good host (Holdfire) and I&#8217;m glad you too have found a good host.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 01:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh, I&#039;m so sorry that you had to go through that bad hosting experience. They just sound completely unprofessional and infuriating. Best of luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh, I&#8217;m so sorry that you had to go through that bad hosting experience. They just sound completely unprofessional and infuriating. Best of luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 22:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest you post your story (and warning) on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.webhostingtalk.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Web Hosting Talk&lt;/a&gt;.  Users there know a great deal about hosting services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest you post your story (and warning) on <a href="http://www.webhostingtalk.com" rel="nofollow">Web Hosting Talk</a>.  Users there know a great deal about hosting services.</p>
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		<title>By: jemjabella.co.uk</title>
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		<title>By: Anouska</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anouska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 15:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, am I glad I stopped using their services years ago (due to downtime and their prices). As a Dutch law student, I&#039;m sorry I can&#039;t tell you much about the Belgian laws, but here&#039;s what I&#039;d do... in Dutch because that&#039;ll allow me to explain better, so I&#039;m sorry for any of your visitors that might read this that don&#039;t understand Dutch.

Omdat ik Nederlands recht studeer, en het Belgische recht best eens anders in elkaar zou kunnen zitten, heeft het denk ik weinig zin dat ik er al te diep op in ga.

Zowel in Nederland als in België bestaan er Wetswinkels/Rechtswinkels, waar je gratis (Nederland) of goedkoop (België) maar professioneel juridisch advies kunt krijgen. Voor zover ik weet kun je daar terecht met vragen over allerlei rechtsgebieden, ook consumentenrecht. Voor België kwam ik deze site tegen: http://www.dewetswinkel.be

Wellicht bestaan er meer, en misschien ook in België wel gratis, maar dat weet je zelf waarschijnlijk ook wel te vinden dan (gewoon even googlen). Ik zag dat je zelf ook rechten studeert, en ik weet niet hoe ver je bent in je studie (en welke richting je doet) en hoe het er bij jou (of überhaupt in België) op de universiteit aan toe gaat, maar misschien is het mogelijk, als je les van, of op andere wijze contact met, zo iemand hebt, om je probleem eens voor te leggen als soort van &#039;casus&#039; aan een docent of hoogleraar consumentenrecht of contractenrecht ofzo?
Misschien weten mede-studenten ook wel meer, als ze verder zijn in hun studie of in een andere richting studeren?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, am I glad I stopped using their services years ago (due to downtime and their prices). As a Dutch law student, I&#8217;m sorry I can&#8217;t tell you much about the Belgian laws, but here&#8217;s what I&#8217;d do&#8230; in Dutch because that&#8217;ll allow me to explain better, so I&#8217;m sorry for any of your visitors that might read this that don&#8217;t understand Dutch.</p>
<p>Omdat ik Nederlands recht studeer, en het Belgische recht best eens anders in elkaar zou kunnen zitten, heeft het denk ik weinig zin dat ik er al te diep op in ga.</p>
<p>Zowel in Nederland als in België bestaan er Wetswinkels/Rechtswinkels, waar je gratis (Nederland) of goedkoop (België) maar professioneel juridisch advies kunt krijgen. Voor zover ik weet kun je daar terecht met vragen over allerlei rechtsgebieden, ook consumentenrecht. Voor België kwam ik deze site tegen: <a href="http://www.dewetswinkel.be" rel="nofollow">http://www.dewetswinkel.be</a></p>
<p>Wellicht bestaan er meer, en misschien ook in België wel gratis, maar dat weet je zelf waarschijnlijk ook wel te vinden dan (gewoon even googlen). Ik zag dat je zelf ook rechten studeert, en ik weet niet hoe ver je bent in je studie (en welke richting je doet) en hoe het er bij jou (of überhaupt in België) op de universiteit aan toe gaat, maar misschien is het mogelijk, als je les van, of op andere wijze contact met, zo iemand hebt, om je probleem eens voor te leggen als soort van &#8216;casus&#8217; aan een docent of hoogleraar consumentenrecht of contractenrecht ofzo?<br />
Misschien weten mede-studenten ook wel meer, als ze verder zijn in hun studie of in een andere richting studeren?</p>
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